Parents, when emotional, sometimes regret deciding to be parents and other great surprises
I’ve been quiet today because I’ve been trying to wrap my head around the great feminist DOS attacks of the moment and the long long long threads discussing them: who’s responsible, what they were reacting to, whether what they claim actually occurred, who’s right, who’s wrong etc etc etc. One of those threads is currently running at 1000+ comments.
Short summary:
- Womensspace, a website founded by radical feminist (and notorious successful ex-fundamentalist litigant) Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff aka Heart, has been shut down due to DOS attacks.
- Heart has discussed this on her blog, which is run on a separate site.
- At least one and maybe more script-kid “hacker” forums have bragged about the coordinated DOS attack on Heart’s website and the websites of several people associated with Heart, and some people with an axe to grind over this incident have also sent Heart and commentors on Heart’s blog hate-mail and comments threatening rape and murder.
- The “justification” for the attack on Heart’s websites is that a blogger named Biting Beaver (BB), who acts as moderator on one of the discussion boards on Womensspace, posted about her distress on finding her teenage son masturbating to porn. She was so upset at his disregard of her teachings about the way porn degrades women that she wrote something like this: that at the moment she found him she felt herself wishing that she had gone ahead with the abortion she considered when she first fell pregnant. She also expressed concern that he would be influenced by porn to become a sexual coercer and even perhaps a rapist. The DOSsers and their defenders are judging such statements as child abuse, and thus they defend their attacks: BB must be exposed. The attacks have also led to BB making her own blog private, open to being read by invitees only.
- Many of the people defending the attacks on Heart’s website seem to be confusing Heart with BB, as well as confusing comments made by other posters in response to BB’s remarks as if BB wrote them. This sloppy reading is demonstrated in various other confusions of fact.
- Many of the people defending the attacks on Heart and BB seem to also be outraged by BB’s notoriety from last year, when she became a feminist cause-celebre after an unplanned pregnancy following contraceptive failure, and subsequently being denied Emergency Birth Control by so-called pro-life doctors, mainly because she was cohabiting with her lover but not married to him. Fundraising was done so that she could afford an abortion, as she felt the children she had already were enough for her.
- These same people get all the facts of that (now terminated) pregnancy confused with BB’s posts about the marital rape that resulted in the birth of the son with the burgeoning porn habit, and act as if BB had been engaging in a casual one-night-stand and thus morally deserved the punishment of pregnancy and childbirth, and if you’re confused as well by now I’m not surprised.
- Because both Heart and BB are controversial, nay notorious, radical feminists, these attacks aren’t getting anything like the coverage that the threats against tech-blogger Kathy Sierra did earlier this year. She wasn’t asking for it, see? Both have also been involved in their fair share of interblog spats with other feminists, so that in some ways the pool of sympathy for either of them is limited within the femblog community.
For the record: what BB said about fleetingly wishing that she’d gone ahead with an abortion? Harsh. Hurtful. Nasty. If she’d actually said it to her son.
There’s no evidence that she did – she posted the sentiment on a forum where the other people there were people she trusted, and she had no reason to believe her son would ever see it. Other people on the forum said even harsher things about their occasional wishes that they’d chosen differently about becoming mothers. Thanks to the actions of the DOSsers, it’s now almost inevitable that he will find out that his mother said these words, and quite possibly that what he reads will attribute the harsher words of other forum contributors to his mother. That is going to hurt. I’m adding my bit to the pile-on because if he does read those words I hope he’ll also end up reading the next paragraphs.
Think about it: is what she said any worse than what many teenagers have said to their parents? “I wish I’d never been born! I wish you were dead!” Teenagers say that stuff to parents so often that it is a cliche – why is it apparently so unforgiveable that a parent, a mother, might sometimes feel exactly the same about their offspring in tense and emotional confrontations?
In moments of heightened emotion, people often say appalling things to each other, and those appalling things do not, despite some pop psychology myths, necessarily represent deep, hidden, “real” feelings. The loving companionship and nurturing between family members every single day is what’s real, not necessarily those dark, ugly, spiky words that boil up when people are angry and hurt.
The DOSsers and and/or their defenders are arguing that by raising her son to read Dworkin and regard porn as degrading instead of as a way to assuage “natural pubertal curiosity”, and that by teaching him that any coercion at all in the area of sexuality is the start of the slippery slope to rape, that BB is distorting his masculinity. I’ll certainly agree that what BB is doing in that regard is not the normal socialisation of male children in our society, which usually socialises male children to objectify women and disregard women’s autonomy. BB has a painful personal history, and like most parents is compensating for the life experiences that hurt her by attempting to raise her own children differently. But are her different beliefs on their own enough to constitute child abuse? On the sole evidence of some emotional venting on blogs and discussion forums?
There are many imperfect parents out there who nonetheless love their children and do the best they can for them. Some people, not just the DOSsers, are rushing to the conclusion that this emotional outburst and a few others that they’ve found from BB are signs of severe emotional instability that means she should have her kids taken away. I have to say: how many of you are experts in family psychology who have conducted a thorough clinical examination? I haven’t examined here either, but if venting pseudonymously on blogs about how parenting is not always a beautiful thing means that one is mentally ill and an abusive parent, there’s going to be an awful lot of kids taken into care.
If there was actually evidence of abusive parenting I’d be all for removing BB from her children’s lives, but there is no such evidence. Are we absolutely sure that pseudonymous rants on the internet are a well supported clinical sign of child abuse? How many conservative bloggers and MRA bloggers will fall into that net if you spread it that wide? Surely posting threats of rape and murder in comments and in email would be considered just as much a sign of an abusive personality? Have the DOSsers thought their principlies through here? Or is this just another case of grasping at anything to attack the radfems?
*Not posting my real screen name or URL because I’ve been targeted by ED, and I don’t want to drive up traffic to my blog or to this one*
“she was cohabiting with her lover but not married to him.”
Though I can’t verify as her blog is locked, I believe that BB was going through a divorce with her abusive husband, so she couldn’t remarry even if she had wanted to (and I have no idea whether she did or not).
“Because both Heart and BB are controversial, nay notorious, radical feminists, these attacks aren’t getting anything like the coverage that the threats against tech-blogger Kathy Sierra did earlier this year … Both have also been involved in their fair share of interblog spats with other feminists, so that in some ways the pool of sympathy for either of them is limited within the femblog community.”
I agree with you 100% about this, though I’ve been glad to see the posts at feministe and of course the one here.
“The DOSsers and their defenders are judging such statements as child abuse.”
I call bullshit on that. Tell me, who besides those who are actually perpetrating the attack, are defending it? Are you saying anybody who called BBs actions abusive is also actively or tacitly endorsing this series of DoS attacks? That is so goddamn wrong, I don’t even know where to begin.
BTW, because you’ve unthinkingly hotlinked to Heart’s blog and even trackbacked to it, its probably only a matter or time before this blog is payed a visit by “An0nym0us”. (Thereby helping spread the “An0nym0us” meme.) Just though you should know this.
I agree with what you are saying here, but I believe that this is a good lesson for all people who post things on the internet. You should never, ever put into writing anything that you do not want to come back to potentially hurt you. I’ve had this done to myself on a much smaller scale, but I learned my lesson. Putting yourself “out there” means you have no control over who is reading it and copying it. You have no control whatsoever after it is published for anyone to see. I’m all for free speech, but it’s not really practical in the blogging world where a lot of small fish get harassed and stalked mercilessly. A lot of people post pictures and hand out information that is not safe to be handed out when you have no control over who is accessing it while you’re snuggled beneath your blankets at night. Hoping that other people will respect you and your boundaries is naive, especially when you are dealing with whack jobs who find joy in seeing other people suffer. When I was attacked, do you know what I got told by my attackers? If you didn’t want your personal information used against you, you shouldn’t have put it out there. I always protected my children when I wrote and didn’t give out names but they knew where I lived and knew my name and so they tracked down my children to get back at me. This is the type of crap that happens to unsuspecting bloggers who feel that they are safe. That’s the lesson I learned and why I stopped blogging.
Great post. This is pretty much how I see the whole thing.
“Have the DOSsers thought their principlies through here? Or is this just another case of grasping at anything to attack the radfems?”
These stalkers don’t have any principles. Why is this even a question?
In blackmail cases the victim is allowed to remain anonymous because it is quite clear that whatever they are being blackmailed for is in no way equal to the crime of blackmail. What Biting Beaver is being blamed for is in no way equal to being stalked (they are trying to track down her real name and address and harass her and the people she knows in real life, they also plan to report her to children’s services in order to have her son removed from her) harassed (she, Heart and others have been subject to death threats and rape threats) and driven off the internet (her blog and others have had to shut down because of the attacks).
If even feminists are unable to address a situation like this one whithout focusing on the *victim’s* behaviour, how can any female victim of male aggression expect to receive a fair hearing and support from our community.
This is how the stalkers talk:
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I’m at a loss to understand why you think they might be doing this because of their principles. When did stalking, harassing and hacking ever become principled actions?
Can someone explain to me what “DOS attacks” actually means, specifically? I know it’s results have been womensspace being shut down, and that it’s used as a form of harrassment– I’m just not sure of the specifics.
Aside from that, great post. I don’t always agree with Heart and BB, but that’s a valuable thing– they challenge me to think in new ways. They certainly do not deserve attacks like this, and I feel horrible for them both. I’m sure that these people would accuse Heart and BB of attacking freedom of speech– yet they are the ones trying to silence them.
This you Jen?
“I applied to be a member of Heart’s forums just so that I could lurk and read the stuff they write there (they are more trainwrecky than the mommyblogs). I am a woman. I read that post by biting beaver when it was posted and the responses, too, and nothing has been altered. I remember reading that shit and thinking how completely insane those women are, how delusional they are. It’s like a cult of some sort. They scare me.
Jen | 08.09.07 – 9:23 pm | # “
Iamcuriousblue at #2:
That should read “and/or their defenders” (which I shall now correct) as all I meant to imply was that I had no way of knowing whether those defending the DOSsers were actually involved in the DOS attacks themselves.
I wrote in the post that if BB’s son was going to find all the other shit then I wanted him to find this post too. So perhaps neither of those acts were unthinking at all. The DOSser crowd will do whatever they like with that as they usually do, depending on how many lulz they think they’ll get.